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		<title>By: tkz</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2009/09/14/why-i-wont-be-shopping-at-save-on-foods-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-71793</link>
		<dc:creator>tkz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware, poor sentence structure.
I know I&#039;m responding to an old post but if I need to say this.
I&#039;m sorry you had such a shitty experience, but those are the rules now.
We cannot scan another persons card for you because it breaches a &quot;privacy law&quot;, vague, I know. Management has made it very clear that if we are scanning other peoples cards for each other we are putting our jobs at risk, either by suspension or termination. (I don&#039;t know about you, but I can&#039;t afford either of those)
Personally I&#039;m getting fed up with people who are too lazy to take a card with them, or put one in their wallet/purse (there&#039;s plenty of room, really, look) If you honestly forgot your card, it&#039;s not that big of a deal, you aren&#039;t walking 200 miles through a frozen tundra to pick up your groceries; just take the receipt back, it doesn&#039;t matter that much if you bring it back in 5 days or 20. 
 Hell, sign up for a new one, we don&#039;t care. But to get in a cashiers face and bitch and moan for something beyond their responsibility is unreasonable and pathetic. I&#039;m sick of people who complain about not being able to save the money THAT DAY and then walk out of the store without their receipt because they&#039;re &quot;too good&quot; or &quot;they have no time&quot; to bring it back and be refunded. (let&#039;s be honest, everyone has time and you&#039;re a liar if you say you don&#039;t)

To Brendon J. Wilson: You don&#039;t have to carry a Safeway card with you (oh you have no idea how much I wish you didn&#039;t have to carry a Save-On card). And do you shop at Mountain Equipment Co-Op more often than the grocery store? Prioritize. It really, really isn&#039;t that hard to have the cards with you if you think about it.


I don&#039;t mean to insult anyone and I apologize if it came out that way, but please try to look at this situation with some empathy and perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware, poor sentence structure.<br />
I know I&#8217;m responding to an old post but if I need to say this.<br />
I&#8217;m sorry you had such a shitty experience, but those are the rules now.<br />
We cannot scan another persons card for you because it breaches a &#8220;privacy law&#8221;, vague, I know. Management has made it very clear that if we are scanning other peoples cards for each other we are putting our jobs at risk, either by suspension or termination. (I don&#8217;t know about you, but I can&#8217;t afford either of those)<br />
Personally I&#8217;m getting fed up with people who are too lazy to take a card with them, or put one in their wallet/purse (there&#8217;s plenty of room, really, look) If you honestly forgot your card, it&#8217;s not that big of a deal, you aren&#8217;t walking 200 miles through a frozen tundra to pick up your groceries; just take the receipt back, it doesn&#8217;t matter that much if you bring it back in 5 days or 20.<br />
 Hell, sign up for a new one, we don&#8217;t care. But to get in a cashiers face and bitch and moan for something beyond their responsibility is unreasonable and pathetic. I&#8217;m sick of people who complain about not being able to save the money THAT DAY and then walk out of the store without their receipt because they&#8217;re &#8220;too good&#8221; or &#8220;they have no time&#8221; to bring it back and be refunded. (let&#8217;s be honest, everyone has time and you&#8217;re a liar if you say you don&#8217;t)</p>
<p>To Brendon J. Wilson: You don&#8217;t have to carry a Safeway card with you (oh you have no idea how much I wish you didn&#8217;t have to carry a Save-On card). And do you shop at Mountain Equipment Co-Op more often than the grocery store? Prioritize. It really, really isn&#8217;t that hard to have the cards with you if you think about it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to insult anyone and I apologize if it came out that way, but please try to look at this situation with some empathy and perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2009/09/14/why-i-wont-be-shopping-at-save-on-foods-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-68262</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to the SOM MEMBER way up who types in ALL CAPS:


Do you work for Save On Foods? If you did, which you somewhat claim to, then you would know that it&#039;s possible to key in a members card number. What kind of prehistoric system doesn&#039;t allow it?  I&#039;ve been with the company since 2002, and I&#039;ve worked with many different OS&#039;s. Each one has given the option to manually punch in a number.




And Braiden...who claims to work for the company as well. I&#039;m sorry my dear, but you&#039;re a buffoon. I hope you&#039;re not telling the customers that they can&#039;t use their phone number because &quot;they might have a hell of a lot of points and someone could steal them&quot;?! What the hell is wrong with you, did you or did you not receive any sort of training for your job?

The reason we can&#039;t use a customers phone number is quite simple. Our computers simply don&#039;t allow it. Save Ons head office hasn&#039;t set up the option of doing so. Not to say it won&#039;t in the future, but at this present time, it&#039;s purely a SCANNING option.



I&#039;m wondering, to the topic creator... what location did you have such shitty service at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to the SOM MEMBER way up who types in ALL CAPS:</p>
<p>Do you work for Save On Foods? If you did, which you somewhat claim to, then you would know that it&#8217;s possible to key in a members card number. What kind of prehistoric system doesn&#8217;t allow it?  I&#8217;ve been with the company since 2002, and I&#8217;ve worked with many different OS&#8217;s. Each one has given the option to manually punch in a number.</p>
<p>And Braiden&#8230;who claims to work for the company as well. I&#8217;m sorry my dear, but you&#8217;re a buffoon. I hope you&#8217;re not telling the customers that they can&#8217;t use their phone number because &#8220;they might have a hell of a lot of points and someone could steal them&#8221;?! What the hell is wrong with you, did you or did you not receive any sort of training for your job?</p>
<p>The reason we can&#8217;t use a customers phone number is quite simple. Our computers simply don&#8217;t allow it. Save Ons head office hasn&#8217;t set up the option of doing so. Not to say it won&#8217;t in the future, but at this present time, it&#8217;s purely a SCANNING option.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering, to the topic creator&#8230; what location did you have such shitty service at?</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d just like to tell you, as a Save On Foods employee, that what the clerk and manager told you, was bullshit.

You&#039;re more than able to use another customers Save On More card if they are willing to lend it to you. Even new employees know this, as they&#039;re told &quot;You are not able to scan YOUR OWN personal card for a customer if they are unable to provide their own. However, if another customer in line is offering the use of their card, it&#039;s acceptable&quot; The only thing we can&#039;t do, is ask them for you. Otherwise, borrow and lend away.

A lot of Save On stores are no longer offering the use of a &quot;Store Card&quot; We had one for a few months, and then just recently it was no longer available for use. I never understood the reasoning for that. However there are times when there are no other customers around and the person at my till would really prefer to get the savings but either don&#039;t have their card with them, or don&#039;t want to take the time to sign up for another card, to which I&#039;ll tell them I&#039;ll use the &quot;store card&quot;, but just use a random left behind/old/random card floating around my till. 

Unlike what Jen says, 5 posts up, using another persons card and later returning something will have NO effect on the other customer. The full card number does not appear on the bill, and therefor in order for the card to be affected, the said card needs to be re swiped.

The next time a clerk or member of the management team tells you you&#039;re unable to use another customers card, tell them you know for a fact they&#039;re full of shit.


In regards to manually punching in a card number, I will admit to being told by management that we are not allowed to do this. However, I do it whenever I&#039;m unable to scan a card. I&#039;m unsure of the reasoning behind this, as it&#039;s not like we&#039;re fabricating the card number out of our heads. As long as we&#039;re not punching in the number while doing a Card Transfer, I don&#039;t see the harm.

And the iPhone app has worked at my store, they just need to use the gun. I&#039;d definitely hold off on letting them put your phone on top of the scanner itself. 

Save On Foods isn&#039;t the best place to shop, my dear people. You&#039;ve no idea what kind of bullshit goes on behind the scenes.
I highly recommend not applying for any sort of job their, either.






Best of luck for your shopping future :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d just like to tell you, as a Save On Foods employee, that what the clerk and manager told you, was bullshit.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re more than able to use another customers Save On More card if they are willing to lend it to you. Even new employees know this, as they&#8217;re told &#8220;You are not able to scan YOUR OWN personal card for a customer if they are unable to provide their own. However, if another customer in line is offering the use of their card, it&#8217;s acceptable&#8221; The only thing we can&#8217;t do, is ask them for you. Otherwise, borrow and lend away.</p>
<p>A lot of Save On stores are no longer offering the use of a &#8220;Store Card&#8221; We had one for a few months, and then just recently it was no longer available for use. I never understood the reasoning for that. However there are times when there are no other customers around and the person at my till would really prefer to get the savings but either don&#8217;t have their card with them, or don&#8217;t want to take the time to sign up for another card, to which I&#8217;ll tell them I&#8217;ll use the &#8220;store card&#8221;, but just use a random left behind/old/random card floating around my till. </p>
<p>Unlike what Jen says, 5 posts up, using another persons card and later returning something will have NO effect on the other customer. The full card number does not appear on the bill, and therefor in order for the card to be affected, the said card needs to be re swiped.</p>
<p>The next time a clerk or member of the management team tells you you&#8217;re unable to use another customers card, tell them you know for a fact they&#8217;re full of shit.</p>
<p>In regards to manually punching in a card number, I will admit to being told by management that we are not allowed to do this. However, I do it whenever I&#8217;m unable to scan a card. I&#8217;m unsure of the reasoning behind this, as it&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re fabricating the card number out of our heads. As long as we&#8217;re not punching in the number while doing a Card Transfer, I don&#8217;t see the harm.</p>
<p>And the iPhone app has worked at my store, they just need to use the gun. I&#8217;d definitely hold off on letting them put your phone on top of the scanner itself. </p>
<p>Save On Foods isn&#8217;t the best place to shop, my dear people. You&#8217;ve no idea what kind of bullshit goes on behind the scenes.<br />
I highly recommend not applying for any sort of job their, either.</p>
<p>Best of luck for your shopping future :)</p>
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		<title>By: jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU CANNOT  USE YOUR PHONE NUMBER FOR SAVE ON FOODS,
that is because someone could redeem your point;s ,or order something in the catalog,so you must use your card to redeem point;s ,and  earn them,and also if you do report your card as stolen ,it takes at least a week to become deactivated,and someone could have used all your point&#039;s in that time,and it would be hard to prove that you did not use them,to get them back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU CANNOT  USE YOUR PHONE NUMBER FOR SAVE ON FOODS,<br />
that is because someone could redeem your point;s ,or order something in the catalog,so you must use your card to redeem point;s ,and  earn them,and also if you do report your card as stolen ,it takes at least a week to become deactivated,and someone could have used all your point&#8217;s in that time,and it would be hard to prove that you did not use them,to get them back</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why can&#039;t you give your phone number/card number to receive points, but only redeem points if you have your actual card.  Seems simple to me - no card, no redeeming.  If you&#039;ve STOLEN someone&#039;s card number or are using someone else&#039;s phone number and you can receive points, what&#039;s the big deal?  As long as you can only redeem points with the actual card.

I don&#039;t mind if other people use my card number/phone number to EARN me points - go ahead, steal my number - but you can&#039;t steal my points without stealing my card (steal my card and I report it as stolen, so you still can&#039;t steal my points)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why can&#8217;t you give your phone number/card number to receive points, but only redeem points if you have your actual card.  Seems simple to me &#8211; no card, no redeeming.  If you&#8217;ve STOLEN someone&#8217;s card number or are using someone else&#8217;s phone number and you can receive points, what&#8217;s the big deal?  As long as you can only redeem points with the actual card.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind if other people use my card number/phone number to EARN me points &#8211; go ahead, steal my number &#8211; but you can&#8217;t steal my points without stealing my card (steal my card and I report it as stolen, so you still can&#8217;t steal my points)!</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon J. Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon J. Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gaia: Outsourced workers are responsible for dismal wages in Canada? Hardly. A lack of productivity and balls is responsible for dismal wages in Canada. 

I&#039;m getting tired of Canadians beating the &quot;business is evil&quot; drum. Business isn&#039;t inherently good or evil, it&#039;s up to those in charge of the corporations that make it one or the other. That&#039;s not to say that there shouldn&#039;t be accountability, merely that ridding ourselves of corporations would also eliminate most of the positive changes that corporations have wrought over mankind&#039;s entire history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gaia: Outsourced workers are responsible for dismal wages in Canada? Hardly. A lack of productivity and balls is responsible for dismal wages in Canada. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting tired of Canadians beating the &#8220;business is evil&#8221; drum. Business isn&#8217;t inherently good or evil, it&#8217;s up to those in charge of the corporations that make it one or the other. That&#8217;s not to say that there shouldn&#8217;t be accountability, merely that ridding ourselves of corporations would also eliminate most of the positive changes that corporations have wrought over mankind&#8217;s entire history.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a bit about Save-On-Foods. There is a reason why the company prefers that you keep the receipt when you forgot your SOM card. When you bring your receipt back with your card to get a credit ($$$), they expect you to do some shopping. This minimizes any losses prior to the crediting process.

Regarding cashiers, there are a lot of brainless robots out there who goes by the book. If they were really smart, then they would have known exactly how the SOM card system works. Although the employee&#039;s contract states that they are not allowed to punch in the SOM# manually, smart employees will disregard that part of the contract and use a random card, as long as the managers are not around.

And then the points. The company donates the points to charity for tax write-off purposes. In my opinion, this should be made illegal in Canada. It&#039;s a form of tax evasion. The fact that you have to use so much points to get so little is even more incriminating. I think 1000 points is equivalent to $1. Outrageous!

Lastly, the prices. The prices are still too high even with the discounts. Because of that, the managers (majority of them are high-school dropouts) end up making more money than the average professional workers. Store managers make $90K/year! But if you shop in let&#039;s say a produce-only market, the supermarket owner is more inclined to cheat on taxes (by voiding cash transactions). So it&#039;s just a matter of picking your poison. I prefer the latter, because I prefer competition than an SOF monopoly.

If you want better customer service, it&#039;s impossible. The (outsourced) foreign workers are responsible for the dismal wages in Canada. The corporations created the notion of outsourcing workers in the first place. If you want a dramatic change (paradigm shift?), then the first thing to do is to remove the majority of the corporations&#039; powers. Otherwise, be succumbed by the corporations&#039; ruling power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a bit about Save-On-Foods. There is a reason why the company prefers that you keep the receipt when you forgot your SOM card. When you bring your receipt back with your card to get a credit ($$$), they expect you to do some shopping. This minimizes any losses prior to the crediting process.</p>
<p>Regarding cashiers, there are a lot of brainless robots out there who goes by the book. If they were really smart, then they would have known exactly how the SOM card system works. Although the employee&#8217;s contract states that they are not allowed to punch in the SOM# manually, smart employees will disregard that part of the contract and use a random card, as long as the managers are not around.</p>
<p>And then the points. The company donates the points to charity for tax write-off purposes. In my opinion, this should be made illegal in Canada. It&#8217;s a form of tax evasion. The fact that you have to use so much points to get so little is even more incriminating. I think 1000 points is equivalent to $1. Outrageous!</p>
<p>Lastly, the prices. The prices are still too high even with the discounts. Because of that, the managers (majority of them are high-school dropouts) end up making more money than the average professional workers. Store managers make $90K/year! But if you shop in let&#8217;s say a produce-only market, the supermarket owner is more inclined to cheat on taxes (by voiding cash transactions). So it&#8217;s just a matter of picking your poison. I prefer the latter, because I prefer competition than an SOF monopoly.</p>
<p>If you want better customer service, it&#8217;s impossible. The (outsourced) foreign workers are responsible for the dismal wages in Canada. The corporations created the notion of outsourcing workers in the first place. If you want a dramatic change (paradigm shift?), then the first thing to do is to remove the majority of the corporations&#8217; powers. Otherwise, be succumbed by the corporations&#8217; ruling power.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of mis information displayed here. A coulple of key points are:
 Save On foods Head Office is in Langley, not Burnaby as the &quot;yeller&quot; has stated.
You DO NOT have to buy 2 items to recieve the 2 for discount.
Safeway is strictly a money saving card, no points.
Save on points are worth money. the use of your own card only is to protect you from someone redeeming all of your points. 
Cashiers are not allowed to ask a customer to use their card on someone elses purchase. If you, the customer asks another customer in line to borrow their card,the cashier may let it go but now that person&#039;s card number is on your receipt and if you have to come in for a refund/adjustment the person&#039;s card you borrowed is now affected.
If applying for a Save on card, you can give very little information  and still recieve a card if you are worried about idnetity theft.
Save on does not sell the information to anyone, only used is for marketing information and track your shopping habits so you may recieve deals/coupons that apply to the products you already buy.
If you have forgotten your card, a manager will upon request use a manager&#039;s card so you can recieve the discounts. Points are donated to charity.( Children&#039;s hospital which Save On raises hundreds of thousands of dollars for each year.)
Finally, the card is a loyalty card  just like all the other retail stores out there have its just more complex than the competition. Just look at Cosco, if you dont have a card, you don&#039;t shop at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of mis information displayed here. A coulple of key points are:<br />
 Save On foods Head Office is in Langley, not Burnaby as the &#8220;yeller&#8221; has stated.<br />
You DO NOT have to buy 2 items to recieve the 2 for discount.<br />
Safeway is strictly a money saving card, no points.<br />
Save on points are worth money. the use of your own card only is to protect you from someone redeeming all of your points.<br />
Cashiers are not allowed to ask a customer to use their card on someone elses purchase. If you, the customer asks another customer in line to borrow their card,the cashier may let it go but now that person&#8217;s card number is on your receipt and if you have to come in for a refund/adjustment the person&#8217;s card you borrowed is now affected.<br />
If applying for a Save on card, you can give very little information  and still recieve a card if you are worried about idnetity theft.<br />
Save on does not sell the information to anyone, only used is for marketing information and track your shopping habits so you may recieve deals/coupons that apply to the products you already buy.<br />
If you have forgotten your card, a manager will upon request use a manager&#8217;s card so you can recieve the discounts. Points are donated to charity.( Children&#8217;s hospital which Save On raises hundreds of thousands of dollars for each year.)<br />
Finally, the card is a loyalty card  just like all the other retail stores out there have its just more complex than the competition. Just look at Cosco, if you dont have a card, you don&#8217;t shop at all!</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All they ask is that you bring your card with you when you shop.  Bring it, scan it , no problem.  I have bought a lot of things, and took a trip to Vegas, with my som points.  I find that the som point system is much more rewarding than the other systems that require 10s of 1000s for a &quot;shoe lace&quot;.  Maybe it&#039;s because the points are more valuable that they are more careful with how you acquire them.  When choosing my battles, I would rather spend my energies on something more substantial.
And as per another comment.... if the sign says 2 for $6.00 you can buy one for $3.00 just do the math. Not like some other stores where you have to buy &quot;multiples of&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All they ask is that you bring your card with you when you shop.  Bring it, scan it , no problem.  I have bought a lot of things, and took a trip to Vegas, with my som points.  I find that the som point system is much more rewarding than the other systems that require 10s of 1000s for a &#8220;shoe lace&#8221;.  Maybe it&#8217;s because the points are more valuable that they are more careful with how you acquire them.  When choosing my battles, I would rather spend my energies on something more substantial.<br />
And as per another comment&#8230;. if the sign says 2 for $6.00 you can buy one for $3.00 just do the math. Not like some other stores where you have to buy &#8220;multiples of&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2009/09/14/why-i-wont-be-shopping-at-save-on-foods-anymore/comment-page-1/#comment-60445</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Save-on jacks up the &quot;without card&quot;price, then charges same price that another grocery store would, in the guise of a discount. I&#039;ve seen this several times with products whose price I&#039;m familiar with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Save-on jacks up the &#8220;without card&#8221;price, then charges same price that another grocery store would, in the guise of a discount. I&#8217;ve seen this several times with products whose price I&#8217;m familiar with.</p>
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