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		<title>By: jimmy</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2008/06/27/rogers-iphone-data-plans-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-29178</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Switched to Bell and got a blackberry as soon as I saw their absurdly high scam-level prices. Apple should not allow them to sell their products.</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is disgusting, another example of canadian cell phone users being gouged at every turn! These plans render the most attractive features of the iPhone useless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is disgusting, another example of canadian cell phone users being gouged at every turn! These plans render the most attractive features of the iPhone useless!</p>
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		<title>By: Mario Bourque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario Bourque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Total FAIL. I&#039;ll wait until Yak comes out with an unlimited data plan next year. Then, everybody who got locked into the Rogers deal will be stuck. Wait a year and you&#039;ll have more options. Do you really want to be locked into a 3 year deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Total FAIL. I&#8217;ll wait until Yak comes out with an unlimited data plan next year. Then, everybody who got locked into the Rogers deal will be stuck. Wait a year and you&#8217;ll have more options. Do you really want to be locked into a 3 year deal?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffery Simpson</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2008/06/27/rogers-iphone-data-plans-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-10086</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffery Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Population:

You didn&#039;t actually address the issue of potential market based on population.  Australia covers a far smaller portion of their nation, Russia has a much larger population.

The reason you can&#039;t get a &quot;Vancouver only&quot; plan is that nobody actually wants that.  Fido went under, or got bought out, because people wanted coverage in more than just major cities.  When personal safety on the road is an important feature of phones people want coverage on major roadways where there might not be a large population.

Thus people in Vancouver help pay for coverage elsewhere.  It&#039;s the same, though on a for-profit model, as health care.  

As I said, compare Rogers to Telus and Bell, not to countries where we don&#039;t live.  Other Canadian data rate plans are significantly more than Rogers&#039;, and they&#039;ve not spent the money to upgrade their network to GSM.  $40 on Bell gets you 4 MB of data a month versus $30 for 300 MB on Rogers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Population:</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t actually address the issue of potential market based on population.  Australia covers a far smaller portion of their nation, Russia has a much larger population.</p>
<p>The reason you can&#8217;t get a &#8220;Vancouver only&#8221; plan is that nobody actually wants that.  Fido went under, or got bought out, because people wanted coverage in more than just major cities.  When personal safety on the road is an important feature of phones people want coverage on major roadways where there might not be a large population.</p>
<p>Thus people in Vancouver help pay for coverage elsewhere.  It&#8217;s the same, though on a for-profit model, as health care.  </p>
<p>As I said, compare Rogers to Telus and Bell, not to countries where we don&#8217;t live.  Other Canadian data rate plans are significantly more than Rogers&#8217;, and they&#8217;ve not spent the money to upgrade their network to GSM.  $40 on Bell gets you 4 MB of data a month versus $30 for 300 MB on Rogers.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2008/06/27/rogers-iphone-data-plans-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-10077</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeffery Simpson wrote: &quot;This isn’t the USA, there are completely different market forces at work here than there are down south. The ratio of geography to population for example skews pricing a great deal more than anyone seems to consider&quot;

Nonsense.

Virtually the entire population of Canada is concentrated within a strip 100 km wide along the US border. Further, there are just a handful of major cities that contain most of that population. If anything, Canada should be cheaper to provision cellular services! There is no legitimate excuse for the rapacious practices of the Canadian telecom players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeffery Simpson wrote: &#8220;This isn’t the USA, there are completely different market forces at work here than there are down south. The ratio of geography to population for example skews pricing a great deal more than anyone seems to consider&#8221;</p>
<p>Nonsense.</p>
<p>Virtually the entire population of Canada is concentrated within a strip 100 km wide along the US border. Further, there are just a handful of major cities that contain most of that population. If anything, Canada should be cheaper to provision cellular services! There is no legitimate excuse for the rapacious practices of the Canadian telecom players.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2008/06/27/rogers-iphone-data-plans-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-10076</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeffery Simpson: You wrote: &quot;...previous attempts at building new carriers in Canada had ended with them going out of business. For the most part they actually were bought out by one of the larger carriers.&quot;

Bingo--the purposeful elimination of competition! Do the appropriate government bodies not give a damn about ordinary citizens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeffery Simpson: You wrote: &#8220;&#8230;previous attempts at building new carriers in Canada had ended with them going out of business. For the most part they actually were bought out by one of the larger carriers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bingo&#8211;the purposeful elimination of competition! Do the appropriate government bodies not give a damn about ordinary citizens?</p>
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		<title>By: Population</title>
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		<dc:creator>Population</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sick and tired of the &quot;it&#039;s such a big country with a sparse population&quot; argument. I call bullshit. Ever heard of Russia or Australia? These are also big countries and don&#039;t pay nearly what we do.

Besides, something like 75-90% of Canadians live in major cities. Why can&#039;t I get a cheap &quot;Vancouver-only&quot; data plan?

It&#039;s time we start boycotting some of their other properties. Rogers Video, CITY-TV, Sportsnet and so on.

Scumbags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sick and tired of the &#8220;it&#8217;s such a big country with a sparse population&#8221; argument. I call bullshit. Ever heard of Russia or Australia? These are also big countries and don&#8217;t pay nearly what we do.</p>
<p>Besides, something like 75-90% of Canadians live in major cities. Why can&#8217;t I get a cheap &#8220;Vancouver-only&#8221; data plan?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time we start boycotting some of their other properties. Rogers Video, CITY-TV, Sportsnet and so on.</p>
<p>Scumbags.</p>
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		<title>By: Candygurl112</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2008/06/27/rogers-iphone-data-plans-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-10062</link>
		<dc:creator>Candygurl112</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>understand where Rogers is coming from in order to cover the cost to subsidize the phone so that in turn it is “supposed to be” affordable for the average consumer. However, since they are locking customers in for 3 years, what should have been included in these plans should be MORE than what they have come up with. I mean if you look at the price they are making the “average” consumer pay, wouldn’t they include at least CALLER ID in the plan instead of paying an extra $15 for it. And also about the included weekday minutes 150? Which translates to only 5 mins each day throughout a typical month. Sure we can complain that we as Canadians (in ways of better data, voice plans) do not get the amazing plans our American counterparts get to receive. But we have to look in the reality of things and understand that Canada is only 1/10th the population of America. We do not have the consumer buying power nor the competition to bring those type of low costs here. Why do you think Canadians always go over the border to purchase items? Because of the fact that in the U.S they can afford to make their prices cheaper since there are so many more people buying. So to sum it all up, Canadians paying on average $3200/3 yr contract X 3,000,000 (who actually go on a contract IF THAT)
Rogers stands to make over $9.6 Billion over 3 yrs. Now if you were to take in to account AT&amp;T. Americans paying on average $1680/2 yr contract X 10,000,000. At&amp;T will make $16.8 Billion in just 2 years. So you see, its purchasing power, population!! We just don’t have that in Canada, that’s why they can charge whatever they want and not give us more for our money. Which is just so unfortunate for the AVERAGE CANADIAN consumer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>understand where Rogers is coming from in order to cover the cost to subsidize the phone so that in turn it is “supposed to be” affordable for the average consumer. However, since they are locking customers in for 3 years, what should have been included in these plans should be MORE than what they have come up with. I mean if you look at the price they are making the “average” consumer pay, wouldn’t they include at least CALLER ID in the plan instead of paying an extra $15 for it. And also about the included weekday minutes 150? Which translates to only 5 mins each day throughout a typical month. Sure we can complain that we as Canadians (in ways of better data, voice plans) do not get the amazing plans our American counterparts get to receive. But we have to look in the reality of things and understand that Canada is only 1/10th the population of America. We do not have the consumer buying power nor the competition to bring those type of low costs here. Why do you think Canadians always go over the border to purchase items? Because of the fact that in the U.S they can afford to make their prices cheaper since there are so many more people buying. So to sum it all up, Canadians paying on average $3200/3 yr contract X 3,000,000 (who actually go on a contract IF THAT)<br />
Rogers stands to make over $9.6 Billion over 3 yrs. Now if you were to take in to account AT&amp;T. Americans paying on average $1680/2 yr contract X 10,000,000. At&amp;T will make $16.8 Billion in just 2 years. So you see, its purchasing power, population!! We just don’t have that in Canada, that’s why they can charge whatever they want and not give us more for our money. Which is just so unfortunate for the AVERAGE CANADIAN consumer.</p>
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		<title>By: An Open Letter to Rogers Wireless : peterandersen.com</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2008/06/27/rogers-iphone-data-plans-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-10057</link>
		<dc:creator>An Open Letter to Rogers Wireless : peterandersen.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] John Biehler&#8217;s article   Jun 27th, 2008 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: johnbiehler.com &#187; A little iPhone data plan math</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2008/06/27/rogers-iphone-data-plans-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-10012</link>
		<dc:creator>johnbiehler.com &#187; A little iPhone data plan math</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Photos         &#171; Rogers iPhone Data Plans = Epic FAIL [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Warren Frey</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2008/06/27/rogers-iphone-data-plans-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9993</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Frey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>beautifully put, David That is a perfect description of the sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beautifully put, David That is a perfect description of the sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in.</p>
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		<title>By: Freyburg&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Canadian iPhone data plan is terrible</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freyburg&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Canadian iPhone data plan is terrible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] less data. I didn&#8217;t have time to write about this wrinkle when it came out, but others have covered it in my stead quite nicely. They&#8217;ve mounted a pretty weak defense for this push for the status [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] less data. I didn&#8217;t have time to write about this wrinkle when it came out, but others have covered it in my stead quite nicely. They&#8217;ve mounted a pretty weak defense for this push for the status [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NICCAI &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How do Canadians feel about Rogers&#8217; iPhone plans?</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2008/06/27/rogers-iphone-data-plans-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9991</link>
		<dc:creator>NICCAI &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How do Canadians feel about Rogers&#8217; iPhone plans?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rogers iPhone Data Plans = Epic FAIL [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a look at my last bill from Rogers, and with &lt;em&gt;conservative&lt;/em&gt;, always-thinking-in-the-background-&#039;do-I-wait-till-a-hotspot-to-see-this?&#039; kind of thinking, my data usage for the month was just over 9,000 Kb. That means that I could loosen up a little and stay on the plan, and my current plan (which caps out at 500MB for $80) really &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; suck by comparison.

Nevertheless, until I get a feel for how much don&#039;t-even-bother-thinking-about-it data use actually works out to be, I&#039;m never going to have a good experience using this phone the way I did at WWDC, where a ubiquitous wi-fi network meant you were always on all the time with no limits ever (the way it should be). Of course, that time on WWDC wi-fi was obviously not included on the bill.

By not offering an unlimited data, its as if you went to a breakfast buffet with lots of gourmet items, but every time you picked up a piece of bacon or pancake, you heard a little bell chime and saw a meter increment by your plate. You&#039;d would probably not eat all that much less, but you&#039;d be constantly reminded that the buffet is really just a cafeteria line that looks prettier. Such is use of wireless technology in Canada, thanks to Rogers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a look at my last bill from Rogers, and with <em>conservative</em>, always-thinking-in-the-background-&#8217;do-I-wait-till-a-hotspot-to-see-this?&#8217; kind of thinking, my data usage for the month was just over 9,000 Kb. That means that I could loosen up a little and stay on the plan, and my current plan (which caps out at 500MB for $80) really <em>does</em> suck by comparison.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, until I get a feel for how much don&#8217;t-even-bother-thinking-about-it data use actually works out to be, I&#8217;m never going to have a good experience using this phone the way I did at WWDC, where a ubiquitous wi-fi network meant you were always on all the time with no limits ever (the way it should be). Of course, that time on WWDC wi-fi was obviously not included on the bill.</p>
<p>By not offering an unlimited data, its as if you went to a breakfast buffet with lots of gourmet items, but every time you picked up a piece of bacon or pancake, you heard a little bell chime and saw a meter increment by your plate. You&#8217;d would probably not eat all that much less, but you&#8217;d be constantly reminded that the buffet is really just a cafeteria line that looks prettier. Such is use of wireless technology in Canada, thanks to Rogers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffery Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffery Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should clarify, I noted that previous attempts at building new carriers in Canada had ended with them going out of business.  For the most part they actually were bought out by one of the larger carriers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should clarify, I noted that previous attempts at building new carriers in Canada had ended with them going out of business.  For the most part they actually were bought out by one of the larger carriers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffery Simpson</title>
		<link>http://johnbiehler.com/2008/06/27/rogers-iphone-data-plans-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-9983</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffery Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fido had all the “ear”marks of being a reasonable alternative until they were snagged up by Rogers.&quot;

Or they nearly went out of business and now only exist because they were bought out by Rogers.

This isn&#039;t the USA, there are completely different market forces at work here than there are down south.  The ratio of geography to population for example skews pricing a great deal more than anyone seems to consider.  

&quot;How does this monopoly get away with this?&quot;

Well it&#039;s not a monopoly, there are two other major carriers.  That they have not decided to go with a GSM network is their own decision and not controlled by Rogers.

Don&#039;t forget that every other startup that&#039;s tried to enter the market has gone out of business.  I know that if you look at rates in the US it&#039;s easy to come to the conclusion that we&#039;re being screwed but the fact is if it was that easy to do the market would not be littered with the failed companies that it is.

The other point made about why they offer a $7 unlimited plan on some phones is easily addressed.  It&#039;s because those phones and those plans work in a Rogers WAP walled garden.  These phones are not going to be using much more then 30 MB at most.  It&#039;s basically the equivalent of kids under 12 eating free at a buffet.

And let&#039;s face it, this is such a first world problem.  I mean it&#039;s wireless internet, it&#039;s still very much a luxury item and so we&#039;ll be paying a premium for a few years until it really makes it through to a mass market level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fido had all the “ear”marks of being a reasonable alternative until they were snagged up by Rogers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or they nearly went out of business and now only exist because they were bought out by Rogers.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the USA, there are completely different market forces at work here than there are down south.  The ratio of geography to population for example skews pricing a great deal more than anyone seems to consider.  </p>
<p>&#8220;How does this monopoly get away with this?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well it&#8217;s not a monopoly, there are two other major carriers.  That they have not decided to go with a GSM network is their own decision and not controlled by Rogers.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that every other startup that&#8217;s tried to enter the market has gone out of business.  I know that if you look at rates in the US it&#8217;s easy to come to the conclusion that we&#8217;re being screwed but the fact is if it was that easy to do the market would not be littered with the failed companies that it is.</p>
<p>The other point made about why they offer a $7 unlimited plan on some phones is easily addressed.  It&#8217;s because those phones and those plans work in a Rogers WAP walled garden.  These phones are not going to be using much more then 30 MB at most.  It&#8217;s basically the equivalent of kids under 12 eating free at a buffet.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s face it, this is such a first world problem.  I mean it&#8217;s wireless internet, it&#8217;s still very much a luxury item and so we&#8217;ll be paying a premium for a few years until it really makes it through to a mass market level.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the kicker for me - I&#039;m posting this comment from my iPhone at the Seattle Outlet Mall via my $20/month unlimited data plan on my pay as you go AT&amp;T sim card. I just added it for my weeklong trip down here...why can&#039;t Robbers get it? Simple - greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the kicker for me &#8211; I&#8217;m posting this comment from my iPhone at the Seattle Outlet Mall via my $20/month unlimited data plan on my pay as you go AT&#038;T sim card. I just added it for my weeklong trip down here&#8230;why can&#8217;t Robbers get it? Simple &#8211; greed.</p>
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		<title>By: bz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@netchick FUCK .. i totally forgot about MobileMe.  that&#039;s the one &quot;killer app&quot; i keep hearing everyone talk about that makes the iphone so great... you get everything, everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@netchick FUCK .. i totally forgot about MobileMe.  that&#8217;s the one &#8220;killer app&#8221; i keep hearing everyone talk about that makes the iphone so great&#8230; you get everything, everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanya (aka NetChick)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanya (aka NetChick)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you know, John, I&#039;ve been really, really angry with Rogers for a few weeks now.  This crap has thrown me over the deep end.  I&#039;m about ready to pay the ECF, and move back to Telus or even Bell.  At least with Telus, they&#039;ve got CSRs that know what they are talking about, and aren&#039;t afraid to elevate the call.

Rogers has done absolutely nothing good for the Canadian GSM market.  Fido had all the &quot;ear&quot;marks of being a reasonable alternative until they were snagged up by Rogers.

How does this monopoly get away with this?  Is it because we Canadians are too bloody pacifist to raise some serious hell?

Let&#039;s face it -- the iPhone really can&#039;t be used properly without extreme amounts of data.  These plans will hurt a lot of people&#039;s pocketbook when the overages start kicking in.  With all the apps that are out, the data use will be enormous.  Add in the mobile me features, and we&#039;ve got problems.

I seriously wanted to scream this morning.  Of course, I&#039;ve also blogged about my displeasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you know, John, I&#8217;ve been really, really angry with Rogers for a few weeks now.  This crap has thrown me over the deep end.  I&#8217;m about ready to pay the ECF, and move back to Telus or even Bell.  At least with Telus, they&#8217;ve got CSRs that know what they are talking about, and aren&#8217;t afraid to elevate the call.</p>
<p>Rogers has done absolutely nothing good for the Canadian GSM market.  Fido had all the &#8220;ear&#8221;marks of being a reasonable alternative until they were snagged up by Rogers.</p>
<p>How does this monopoly get away with this?  Is it because we Canadians are too bloody pacifist to raise some serious hell?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it &#8212; the iPhone really can&#8217;t be used properly without extreme amounts of data.  These plans will hurt a lot of people&#8217;s pocketbook when the overages start kicking in.  With all the apps that are out, the data use will be enormous.  Add in the mobile me features, and we&#8217;ve got problems.</p>
<p>I seriously wanted to scream this morning.  Of course, I&#8217;ve also blogged about my displeasure.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think anyone who is posting these plans on their sites needs to put quotes around &quot;evening&quot;, as only in the loosest sense of the word can 9:00pm and &quot;evening&quot; be used together without the additional words, &quot;middle of the&quot;.

If the $60 plan was 200 minutes anytime, and evenings after 7:00pm, I think many Canadians would be a lot less critical of Rogers, but it appears that greed has once again been the driving force between the execs at Rogers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think anyone who is posting these plans on their sites needs to put quotes around &#8220;evening&#8221;, as only in the loosest sense of the word can 9:00pm and &#8220;evening&#8221; be used together without the additional words, &#8220;middle of the&#8221;.</p>
<p>If the $60 plan was 200 minutes anytime, and evenings after 7:00pm, I think many Canadians would be a lot less critical of Rogers, but it appears that greed has once again been the driving force between the execs at Rogers.</p>
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